Big failure rate in high school exams

Posted By: Shuyee Lee · 7/20/2012 5:00:00 AM

CJAD News has learned that there are very large numbers of Secondary IV and V students across the province who have failed this year's math, history and science high school exams. And it could be linked to the new curriculum reforms.

Suanne Stein Day chairperson of the Lester B. Pearson School Board said they don't have the final numbers yet but they noticed a trend.

"There were in fact quite a few failures in math and history, that those tests were particularly difficult this year," Stein Day told CJAD News.

The New Frontiers School board also reported lower results for math exams. They suspect that the new curriculum reforms had something to do with this because this is the first year that the exams for subjects such as math, science and history were the same province wide.

Stein Day said they have 30% more summer school students as a result.

"We had to open an additional center this summer for the summer school. The parents do pay a fee for the summer school though so that pays for most of the costs."

Stein Day said she doesn't think it has anything to do with the CEGEP student strike and prolonged semesters because the exams were written long before that.

Quebec's Education Ministry said it's looking into the matter.

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  1. Jacob posted on 07/20/2012 08:05 AM
    My Child attends the LBPSB and has been an honor roll student every semester in high school. As well during a trigonometry test, received a mark of 100%. But because of this exam, received an overall mark in math of 63%. and was in the 2nd quintile with this mark.

    Here are some facts that I think your NEWS room should be aware of.
    1 The CEGEP’S in the English system are over capacity
    2 The material the teachers needed for the exam was given too late for them to teach it properly
    3 The exam results were mailed out late and in some cases were only received after the summer program had commenced.
    As Far as this family is concerned we dished out 250 dollars to attend a summer course that had already commenced.
    Also it is our belief that the Quebec government is trying to delay or reduce the number of students entering CEGEP, and increase the amount of money they make from these summer programs.
    1. Zachary posted on 07/20/2012 06:20 PM
      @Jacob I am a History teacher at a public school in the province. There a couple of important points in regards to what Jacob has posted.

      1. The English CEGEP system being at over capacity is not relevant. The MELS exams are the same whether in the French sector of English and simply translated.

      2. There were no problems with material this year. Textbooks have been published for a few years now in all subjects, and all subjects had what is known as a "Progression of Learning" which is a fancy way of saying clear curriculum guidelines.

      3. The marks were not particularly mailed out "late." It is the normal time period. It can be past the beginning of summer school in some areas, but the exact starting date of the summer session is to the discretion of each individual school board.

      4. I have never heard of a school that "makes money" off of summer school. The extreme majority lose money on the service, and it is not required. It is again at the discretion of the school board.

      5. The exams of those three subjects above were somewhat overly difficult. However, the most significant reason for the increased failure rate is that it is the first year in many that the exams were compulsory meaning that teachers had to "leeway" to boost marks. When teachers/schools are left to do what they wish with marks and exams, the grades are somewhat overinflated (the teachers show "pity" for lack of another word).
  2. Joann Shea posted on 07/20/2012 09:55 AM
    Agree 100% with the above comment.

    My question is, even going to summer school, will they be taught the correct curriculum for the exam re-write.
    1. Zachary posted on 07/20/2012 11:43 PM
      @Joann Shea If your question is in regards to the Secondary 4 History program, in theory, the teacher taught the correct curriculum throughout the year and it will be taught during the summer if either/both were even remotely competent. The huge problem however surrounds the type of exam that it is. Succeeding requires much more than simple memorization. It instead deal heavily with the students' ability to READ and INTERPRET documents, as well as think logically. And thus lies the problem. How can a teacher teach a student to think logically over the course of a few summer-schools sessions. Not easy, and is the reason why I refused to teach summer school this year. It is also shockingly difficult to convince students of the necessity to read, reread, and re-reread the documents on the exam. On the bright side though, the teachers now clearly are aware of the exact format of the exam, and the August exam will likely be significantly less difficult than the June addition, despite the fact that it was mainly produced prior to this problem of a high failure rate.
  3. John Merrington posted on 07/20/2012 11:22 AM
    For parents, as myself, who had a child who struggled in sec4 or 5, this is nothing but maddening..new reform..brilliant..I feel sorry for all the kids who will have trouble getting intop cegep over this, aswell as the parents who have to put off vacation, and fork out $$$ for summer school...
    Wrong people seem to be running the show..
    1. Zachary posted on 07/20/2012 11:53 PM
      @John Merrington While the exams were difficult, no student is at a disadvantage in regards to CEGEP admittance over this. That is in fact the reason behind the exams of this year and the reason for the high failure rate: all students in Quebec had to write the same exams, marks had to be tabulated in the same way, and had the same overall value rather than a free fore-all. Prior to this year and for about the last three, a student in one school could receive a grade of perhaps 60%, while a student in another school could receive a grade of 80% and have the same level of competence/knowledge. Without MELS exams, schools had free range, and thus marks varied greatly from one place to another thus disadvantaging students in a more academically strict school. Furthermore, the exams supplied by MELS at levels lower than Secondary four were equally as difficult. However, no school/media/parents rendered complaints because if the marks are low, the school can simply "readjust" the marks. Trust me, not fair.
  4. angie posted on 07/20/2012 01:30 PM
    My son attends LCCHS in Lasalle and was actually interviewed by CTV News. This morning. Julian is in Second 4 and although we complained all year about the Math program to the VP, nothing was done about it. The students were left to fend for themselves half of the time as the teacher did not have time to finish teaching them the chapters necessary for the final exam. We had to hire a tutor at $35 an hour and yet, Julian stilled failed and must attend summer school for which we have to disburse another $235 plus his Opus card. It is insane and we are totally frustrated by the school administration's and the LBPSB's lack of intervention on this matter. Half of Julainks math class attended the same tutoring academy. Was that not an indication to the school that something was wrong? I am appalled at their lack of concern and action. Is this the type of education children in Quebec are entitled to??
    1. sam posted on 07/21/2012 06:21 PM
      @angie @angie
      My son went to the same school, although he is now a graduate we had the SAME problem with Sec 4 math and had no help from the teachers and staff. Our son is a math whiz and never encountered a problem until Sec 4. The teacher was frazzled with the amount she had to cover and had a keep up or get lost attitude. We saw his usual 85 % plus marks drop down to 40's and lower. We tried to communicate with the school and teacher all through the year and got no where. In the end he needed extra support , all which also came out of our pockets and summer school.
    2. Louis posted on 07/21/2012 09:55 PM
      @angie You were ripped off by the tutoring academy. Your son should not have failed after attending it. You should have hired a private tutor.
  5. Linda posted on 07/20/2012 11:53 PM
    It may not only be high schools. Only 3 out of 30 kids passed the 6th grade provincial math exam at my daughter's school (EMSB). No mystery here, the material was not being covered and the teachers were not giving substantial assignments. I figured out what topics are expected to be covered by looking at the Quebec education ministry website, and then I taught my daughter at home in spite of her protests. She was one of the 3 students who passed even though she is of average ability. The provincial exam scores are added into the final mark grades so many parents did not even realize that their kids failed and the school certainly did not enlighten them.
  6. Thomas posted on 07/21/2012 12:46 AM
    My Nehew had actually passed the course when he had received his report card. However, when he received the actual final grade from the Government, they gave him a failing grade. So what does that say about the system? On his report card, he did not jusr barely pass, he received a grade that was more than a minimum passing grade. However, when he received his final grade from the Government, they bell curved him downwards. On his report card, it was written that he had to wait for his "FINAL GRADE" from the government. Finally, he did not receive his final grade until the day summer courses began, so he had to register on the day the courses began.
    1. Zachary posted on 07/27/2012 05:53 PM
      @Thomas The fact that this person failed on the MELS final transcript of marks has nothing to do with the bell curve. He received an unsuccessful grade because he was not successful on the final exam. The mark on the school report card does not take into account the final exam. Had the student passed the final exam, he would have passed overall.
  7. Matt posted on 07/24/2012 02:29 PM
    I am a Student of the LBPSB and I am in Secondary 4. I passed all my exams but my History mark dropped from an 86 to a 78 due to the exam. The exam was somewhat difficult but teachers don't know what's on the exam so it's hard for them to cover everything 100%. Most of the students that failed are kids that were not prepared and didn't listen in class. Stop whining about how it's all MELS fault and maybe look at what your kid did wrong. Tutors can only teach they can't learn for your kid, if your kid doesn't want help he won't be.
    1. grey posted on 07/26/2012 10:09 PM
      @Matt Good for you Matt. Now you need to educate yourself on learning styles. Not all children learn in the same way. The History exam should have evaluated your knowledge of History. Unfortunately, it was evaluating text comprehension and expressive skills. This is not an English exam. (And I won't get started on the quality of the English translation...) A multiple choice exam would have been a better choice for the History exam. As teachers we are taught over and over at workshops that exams should not be the only means of evaluation. So, why do these exams weigh so much? In certain cases, marks given by the schools were decreased because of the great disparity between the exam mark and initial report card mark. In other words, they are saying that teachers are unable to evaluate students properly. Wow... so teachers have no judgement. Are we professionals or technicians? We have what is most precious in our hands... you; the children; our future. You deserved your 86, not a 78. Now while you enjoy the joys of your success, do remember that not all students who failed are lazy and unattentive. Many struggle and spend hours studying to learn and this makes it all the more frustrating for them. Do the math... it makes no sense that so many kids are not succeeding. The repercussions of all of this might be terrible; kids dropping out of shcool, kids being medicated, conflicts at home, or even worse... So... all in all Matt... appreciate, don't judge.
  8. CynthiaM posted on 07/24/2012 05:59 PM
    I think this is a generational problem. Students don't fail anymore, they aren't accountable for any of their actions. Parents blame teachers, schools, and now government for their grades... really? When I was a student if I failed I was to blame. I got into college and university just fine and to be completely honest if students can't handle a little high school exam they won't cut it in university where no one cares about your feelings. Grow up, stop enabling your kids.
  9. Jane posted on 07/27/2012 11:54 AM
    And this is why parents send their kids to private schools... Our government exam class averages were a ridiculous 92% and they were pretty easy.
  10. steven masella posted on 08/01/2012 07:20 PM
    any chance the math gets cancelled?
  11. concetta posted on 08/15/2012 10:30 AM
    The marks for the summer school are out, My daughter went to Lasalle Catholic for History and she studied day and night. I helped her and made sure she new her History.. well little to say SHe failed summer school. We are both shocked and she's discouraged. She couldn't believe the Mark. She found the exam easy saying she didn't pass with 100% but definately in the 70-80.. well shocking result in the 45%. Who corrected these exams! Anybody have the same situation!
    1. Jc posted on 08/17/2012 03:18 AM
      @concetta Same exact situation!
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