Field trip turns sour over poppies

Posted By: Laura Casella · 11/9/2012 11:20:00 AM

What was supposed to be a fun field trip for grades 3 and 4 students from St-Lawrence Academy in Lasalle turned sour when a couple of employees of the Olympic Installations Board made some rude and inappropriate comments about their poppies.

Lynn Dallaire says every year she picks up poppies for her students for Rememberance Day as well as little Canadian flag pins which they use to hold the poppies in place.

She says earlier this week they went on a field trip to the Olympic Stadium and everything was fine up until the point they were about to leave. She says a couple of animators started making comments about the students' poppies, specfically referring to the flags in the centre.

"They were making comments like, 'it's sacrilege, the Canadian flag!' and 'ils sont ou les anglos,'" she says. 

That is when another teacher who spoke French told the workers to stop making such inappropriate comments in front of children. But she says the animators kept going.

The teachers made a complaint with their supervisor, who later apologized, said it was a joke, and that it wouldn't happen again. A rather unsatisfying response for Dallaire and her colleagues.

"You don't joke around with things like that."

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  1. Eric J Seltzer posted on 11/09/2012 12:10 PM
    The saddest part isn't even that people are so ignorant to have to do this in front of 3rd and 4th graders but that there are still people like that in this day and age. I guess no matter how much time passes there will still be idiots who believe that there needs to be a separation of English and French in Quebec. And the response from the supervisor that it was just a joke...please, it was just a bunch of idiots who lack common sense and decency.
    1. chuck posted on 11/10/2012 01:48 PM
      @Eric J Seltzer To Eric,

      There are way to many small-minded people these days who seem to think its their duty or right to make ignorant comments.
      Unfortunately in Quebec they breed way to many like this. I blame it on the teachers and media who set up these ignorant people. If there was any understanding of how the world worked they might just keep their mouths shut.
  2. Deborah Ann posted on 11/09/2012 12:15 PM
    How awful these people are to do that to children. These animators should be fired. I just cant believe how the PQ have made people so bitter. On top of it all these poppies are for our men and women that fought for our country called CANADA.
  3. Janni posted on 11/09/2012 12:24 PM
    At least the children will have learned a good lesson on STUPIDITY.
  4. Fran Coursolle posted on 11/09/2012 12:38 PM
    No one has any right to insult a customer for any reason. The school should demand their money back. How can they think that "a joke" like that would be excusable. The people in this province will never learn to live together in peace if there are people like that loose, allowed to get away with what they do.
  5. Rob T posted on 11/09/2012 12:38 PM
    What surprises me most about this story is that there are people who actually go and visit the Olympic Stadium...
    1. Kristina posted on 11/11/2012 08:21 AM
      @Rob T Oh, that made me laugh. Thank you for the morning chuckle Rob!
  6. larry posted on 11/09/2012 12:39 PM
    This is wrong doing I was raised as a proud canadian who lives in Quebec but i do believe it is out of control with the language in books and history Quebec is in canada and therefore it is a unity of multi culture we have freedom of speech .This language thing is ubrupt and sending out the wrong sign to children I find it wrong what these workers did and that it was wrong example it comes off as bullying .My grand father who was lost at war this is his time as well for others who fought for us to be remembered and these people just spit on it HOW RUDE
  7. Jenny posted on 11/09/2012 12:50 PM
    It is so sad that our children are subjected to such low-class BULLIES instead of being applauded for supporting our veterans. BOTH the supervisor and the "so called "animators should be fired.
    BTW Where is our Canadian government in all of this?? Why are we not hearing back from the Federal government to say that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? I'm just saying.
    CONGRATS to Ms. Dallaire for going the extra mile in educating our youngsters on the importance of celebrating our Veterans.
    1. Quinn posted on 11/10/2012 02:41 PM
      @Jenny To be honest I never heard anything about the language conflict until I moved Quebec. Previous to moving here, I though: "Cool, province of French speakers! Neat, maybe I can finally learn some french! I heard they had a referendum or something a while back... weird."

      then within a month of moving here I was threatened with violence and vandalism to my property if I dared to speak english on the street. It was shocking.
  8. Geoff posted on 11/09/2012 12:50 PM
    That's why they work as animators at the Olympic Stadium. Uneducated people going nowhere in life.
  9. Sean posted on 11/09/2012 01:06 PM
    This is typical. I grew up in the Laurentian's and had to deal with ignorance and prejudice every day. At one point, they forced all the anglophone kids to sit in the front of the bus and not interact with the francophone students. These language issues are so petty and idiotic. If Quebec weren't a part of Canada it would never be able to act like such a spoiled little child. Ignorance and lack of education ( thanks CEGEP ) is what's really at work here. Anglo's - move to Toronto. It's so much better.
  10. Adam posted on 11/09/2012 01:06 PM
    While I agree that the students should not have been mocked. There was just a story about how Pauline M. wore a fleurs de lis, in her poppy and everyone was up in arms about it. Let's not be hypocritical about it.
    1. Jenny posted on 11/12/2012 11:18 AM
      @Adam Really Adam, we are talking about young children SECURING their poppies (and making sure they do not hurt themself in the playgrounds with the pin provided)- Mme. Marois did it on PURPOSE - to ignite les pure laines in their "fight". There is NO hypocrism in this at all.
    2. Mary posted on 11/12/2012 08:28 PM
      @Adam First of all Quebec is a province in Canada. Now when she wore the fleurs de lis in her poppy she was just trying once again to show Quebec again separate from Canada. But the Canadian symbol means all Canadian veterans including Quebec Veterans.She should stop with her stupity. We are all fed up with her. If she doesn`t want to be part of Canada then maybe she should leave.
  11. amanda posted on 11/09/2012 01:34 PM
    this is when i'm ashamed to be called a french canadian, a quebecois, these people make everyone else in the province look terrible, don't consider the basket of apples bad cause of a few rotten apples yet the whole province is considered prejudice cause of people like those. Big problem is when the kids get bugged about stuff like this they tend to dislike the other language even tho its not everyone who is without brains
    1. David posted on 11/09/2012 04:04 PM
      @amanda Amanda, no need to be ashamed due to a few 'bad apples'. The news media is there to generate revenue and they choose to tell these stories to propagate this situation. The other day I waited patiently behind a couple from Oregon who were being help by the french lady in the metro. She was speaking English and the couple were very delighted with the service they got. No french /english issue for them. Perhaps you can take your message to your friends and family that english are not the enemy. We can all live together. If we try.
    2. Anonymous posted on 11/10/2012 11:25 AM
      @amanda A few rotten apples ... in the recent election EVERY party leader promised to increase the persecution of English speaking citizens of Quebec. There is a large number of these bigots in Quebec, and don't forget the vast number who are consenting to the persecution by their silence.
  12. Jack Be Nimble posted on 11/09/2012 01:54 PM
    What is this province coming to when you get ignorant people like that picking on defenseless children who don't know about how stupid this province works with it's garbage political situation that is killing the economy day by day.

    Tourists come to visit the Olympic Stadium, are these idiots going to treat them like this too?

    These people are seriously lucky that those were not my kids, because I would have sent the kids off back to the school bus and punched the idiots in the face for their comments!
  13. Andie posted on 11/09/2012 02:37 PM
    That's the dumbest way to teach kids about respecting veterans and the hard work and sacrifices they and their families did for Canada and other nations. Perhaps those animators would benefit from getting more acquainted with a veteran, they might see another perspective and stop thinking that Quebec is "le nombril du monde".
  14. L posted on 11/09/2012 02:42 PM
    It's amazing how brave many people have become at showing their true colours, now. It's disgusting that the animators treated the kids and everyone, with such disrespect. The difference between Pauline Marois wearing a Quebec flag in her poppy and those of us who wear a Canadian flag in our poppy, is that we're showing respect toward the veterans and ALL Canadian veterans who fought for Canada, etc., rather than just for Quebec and veterans from Quebec .

    Recently, I encountered at least two people in a space of a week who've suddenly became afflicted with the "I don't understand English" toxin. Just weeks ago before that, all the employees at that housing rental office USED to be able to understand and speak English. Thank goodness though that there are still some polite ones left there, although one of those polite ones said she'll be leaving next week.
    1. yerallnuts posted on 11/10/2012 05:48 PM
      @L I've taken to returning any commercial or government communications to the sender with the request that they resend whatever it is in English.

      I also make it a point to ask for managers in restaurants and stores to request they put up bilingual signage as allowed by law - especially in the West Island, where only 16% of the residents are Francophone and I ask for a helper to deal with the shortsighted unilingual French descriptors . . . . it does get results.

      Of course I speak French, but enough is enough. If I'm the paying customer they can speak to me in my language - or they won't get my money.
  15. heather posted on 11/09/2012 02:51 PM
    This is a sad sad joke.I watch my 88 year old father cry every year in nov.for all his buddies who died in the war to keep Canada free.Some of the best fighting soldiers came form Quebec.These insults are a direct insult to these people who gave up their lives for us.This war was not about languages it was about freedom.These people who said this to these small children or anyone should be ashamed of themselves.If Hiter had won this war we would all be speaking German.
  16. Allan McLaughlin posted on 11/09/2012 03:31 PM
    This is disrespect for Quebec and Canada those uneducated morons don't understand if it was not for the Canadians veterens who made the ultimate sacrifice liberating France from the Germans on D-Day and win the WAR there would be NO FRENCH and NO QUEBEC we would be speaking German FRENCH language would be DEAD and try to separate the Nazis would shoot you in the head DEAD! LEST WE NOT FORGET!!!
    RESPECT OUR HEROES!!
  17. GUS posted on 11/09/2012 05:50 PM
    You know what I think these '"rednecks" that work at the Olympic Stadium should get paid in Quebec money.
    And by the way what's to see at the Olympic Stadium??
  18. elcabron posted on 11/09/2012 06:00 PM
    It is innapropriate to wear any flag on the puppy, the teachers are the ones to be blamed.
    1. An Anglo in Quebec posted on 11/09/2012 06:21 PM
      @elcabron @ elcabron, Explain to me why it is innapropriate to wear a flag on the poppy???? These moron workers should be ashamed of theirselves! I this what we teach 3rd and 4th graders? To dislike other people because of their language. Quebec is part of Canada. If they dislike the english and language so much perhaps they should go to France and live there. Perhaps Canada is tired of their BS.
    2. TinAB (from QC) posted on 11/09/2012 10:49 PM
      @elcabron How is it inappropriate?? We're in Canada - veterans fought for our country, the people in it, and future generations. Veterans are proud of Canada, and wear poppies with the Canadian flag in them all the time!
      I don't know what issue you see with it, but go talk to veterans... they support it across the country.
  19. beaner posted on 11/09/2012 06:34 PM
    If they would come up with a better way to keep the poppy from stabbing you in the chest..you wouldn't have these problems. Put a safety pin on it instead..then there would be no need to alter it. If it means my kids or I can't get "pricked" by it..I'll put whatever I want in the middle that's safer than an uncovered pin to prevent it!
  20. Kenneth Flecknell posted on 11/10/2012 10:12 AM
    If the French can get large monetary settlements for being on a plane and not getting service in French, how much should this group of children get because of this bigotry in Quebec. They really need to be taught a lesson and if the Quebec justice system won't then perhaps the supreme court could. Oh I forgot, we gave that institution to the French as well didn't we.
    Indeed it is a sad day when our soldiers memories are disgraced in such a way. Shame on their province of Quebec.
  21. Cheryl McDonald posted on 11/10/2012 12:32 PM
    Is it more respectful to wear a poppy the entire Remembrance Season or see them trampled on the sidewalks. A Canada Flag Pin hold the beautiful poppy in place. It is really nice seeing the poppy on everyone. Lest we forget.
  22. Lynn Dallaire posted on 11/10/2012 01:32 PM
    By wearing poppies, we pay special homage to those who died in service for their country. We must remember these brave men and women for their courage and their devotion. We must not forget. Thank you to those who've fought for us and to those who are doing so now.
    1. Jenny posted on 11/13/2012 10:03 AM
      @Lynn Dallaire Thank YOU Ms. Dallaire for educating our children and ensuring they know the sacrifice our men and women are making to ensure they walk in the land of the free. Sadly, we live in Quebec who are trampling our freedom of language and expression. But thank you for your outstanding teaching abilities.
  23. François posted on 11/11/2012 02:36 AM
    Canadian or Quebec flag should not be use to pin the Poppy...

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2012/11/20121102-150129.html

    The legion's 62-page poppy manual states that attaching a poppy to a lapel with another pin - even a Canadian flag - is a faux pas because the poppy is the "sacred symbol of Remembrance and should not be defaced in any way."


    And you can check:
    http://legion.ca/_PDF/Manuals/Poppy%20manual2011_e.pdf


    If we accept one flag, I don't see why we should not allow any flag from any province...
  24. Jringe01 posted on 11/16/2012 06:57 AM
    When Marois wore a fleur de lys in her poppy the veterans were upset.. In their response they stated that "NOTHING" should be worn inside the poppy and I agree. After all it's not just Canadian youth that were sacrificed needlessly to the gods of war (the war would not have happened had cooler, more sensible heads prevailed or had the commanders not been such idiots. The deliberate waste of so many lives is unforgivable)

    There are many nations that lost many lives and also innocent civilians caught in the cross-fire, sometimes even murdered deliberately. It wasn't just Canada
  25. Christina posted on 11/19/2012 10:12 AM
    I can't wait until the Queen finally steps in and disolves the Quebec goverment. Lets see how the francos will love that. And if that doesn't happen, i want Quebec to seperate. I want them to see how life is going to be without medicare, welfare, and no jobs. Lets see how long that will last before they come back crawling.
    As a military wife, I'm disgusted by these people and ms Marois for trying to make a day for those that gave their life for our freedom as a political statement. How dare she. My husband is a veteran at 35 and making a mockery of our National holiday is a disgrace to all veterans and Canadians. Last time i checked, quebec is in Canada, not the other way around.
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