No English school for Laval boy

Posted By: Laura Casella · 1/8/2013 11:50:00 AM

Back in September, CJAD told you about a Laval mother who has been fighting to send her son to English school.

We can now tell you that she has lost her battle.

Nazneen Alavi argued that her son should be given the same rights as his older sister and be alllowed into the English school system. 

"It's very, very sad," she tells CJAD, "very disappointing. I don't even have the words right now."

According to the letter she received from the education ministry, her request was denied primarily because she is a permanent resident and not a citizen. Although she had no problem sending her daughter to English school a few years ago, the rules have changed since 2010. She now plans on talking to the ministry to see if there is any room for an appeal.

"But since I have no choice, one is going to an English school, and one is going to a French school."

Her 6-year-old son meantime, who has yet to start kindergarten, says he is afraid of going to Fench school because he doesn't know the language.

"I tell him that he will learn," says Alavi, "it is very disappointing."

Alavi who has been here for 20 years says she has recently applied for her citizenship. 

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  1. Mike posted on 01/08/2013 12:06 PM
    Disgusting and sad. Our basic rights are being violated. I feel for this woman and her family.
  2. robert posted on 01/08/2013 12:45 PM
    So what?
    I'm against everything the PQ is doing, but this is not one of them.
    I think at the very least elementary should be in french.
    There's no excuse for kids growing up in Quebec not to be able to speak english AND french properly

    Come highschool and higher education, thats where i think the choice of english over french should be allowed.

    This is for your kids future FFS. I was not born here and i speak 3 languages and i find it sad when i meet people born and raised here that can only speak english or french but not both.
    1. Dorian posted on 01/08/2013 05:47 PM
      @robert @Robert, what you are forgetting here is with the extension of Bill 101, that Mme Marois is so proud, there will be no higher education in English for the kids that did their high school in French and want to learn English ~ English is an International language.... and to cut in Education and Health so she can spend 1.1 billion on the language is ludicrous .....
    2. lita posted on 01/14/2013 10:23 AM
      @robert yes @ robert sounds good but where is the freedom of choice . I as a parent have the right to choose what school to make my child attend.. i was raised here as well but i went to English school my whole life.. i learned the french language with my friends.. and another thing you talk about learning English and french well for your information an English school would be better. All the English schools are now bilingual...either its half/ half days or one day English one day french.. etc... so would you not want your child to go to an English school where they would learn both languages and not just french school where if your lucky you get 50 minutes a day of English... think about it... English schools are doings right !!!! oh and my child will attend a bilingual program and not just french. cause i do want my child to have a successful career and not stay in this province but travel and be able to communicate with the rest of the world!!!!!
  3. peter posted on 01/08/2013 12:59 PM
    sad the young generation have no future here in Canada.Quebec will loss all their resourses due to this stuipied law.
  4. j posted on 01/08/2013 01:02 PM
    its a shame that people have to go to lengths to avoid french in this province, of course there are mistakes that the government has made in this situation, but we do not live in a perfect world ( this issues are 1st world problems) her son will only benefit to learn a second language, so quite complaining
    1. ex Kaybecer posted on 01/08/2013 11:35 PM
      @j Not sure whether the commenters here are ignorant or simply naive, but there is a HUGE difference between "learning a second language" (which I did when I went to school in Kaybec---and a third for good measure) and having one FORCED upon you, as Frenchification (one of the worst, most divisive and most expensive, things to hit our country---not to mention wholly unequal and racist) is in both Kaybec and outside (AND WHEREVER racist francophones can push their anti-English agenda). To be thrust into a school where you don't know the language is a terrifying experience and in no way helpful or conducive to good education.
      There is NO GUARANTEE he will master the language (although admittedly the sooner they learn the better) and a very good chance it will affect him negatively. If it were me I woudl be HUGELY resentful of Kaybec (and I am) and would move away at the first opportunity (which I did).
      And I have worked for 12 years in BOTH of Canada's official languages, in jobs that I guarantee Kaybec in its racism/anglophobia would NEVER give me the chance to do.
      I am incredibly sorry for this family---not just because they are sending their kid to a foreign school, but that they might think all of Canada is as racist as Kaybec. I hope they do move to where they are welcomed and appreciated.
    2. Jenny posted on 01/11/2013 11:12 AM
      @j Dear J,
      I can tell by the way you compose your sentences and the grammatical errors you have made that you were not educated in the English system. It is QUIT complaining not QUITE complaining. It is THESE issues not THIS issues -
      As for the young boy "benefitting" from learning a second language, this is not the issue. The issue remains that the mother should have a CHOICE to place her son in the ENGLISH School Board with his elder sibling. I am all for learning not only a second, but a third and fourth language. The more the merrier I say. My daughter speaks four languages FLUENTLY (including La Langue Française), but that was all MY CHOICE not something that Mme Marois and her warped government are jamming down our throats.
      The PQ government is a carbon copy of the Hitler’s Third Reich.
      I will be extremely surprised if CJAD actually allows this comment to pass, but I hope they do. It is time that we (the English) are treated with respect not as third class citizens by a bunch of uneducated-low-class morons like you. Thank you for your time.
  5. Alice posted on 01/08/2013 01:13 PM
    That's terrible! Dividing a family! Then they wonder why people come out of school not educated. Maybe he will understand the language after a few years but will he really learn the courses provided beside the language.

    It is like sending your child to a chinese school and expecting them to learn more than just the language.

    We need to Abolish Bill 101! That way our government can spend time on more important issues for our future. Jobs, healthcare and education. This will also give the lawyers real issues in the courtroom.
  6. Rudolph S posted on 01/08/2013 01:46 PM
    ..don't dispair because of the thickheaded ministry... look at it this way...right now your Son will have some difficulties, however kids in that age learn fast. By the time he is 10 Years old, he will be bilingual, by the time he goes to Highschool he will be very proficient in French and English, when he is ready for the Jobmarket... he will definitely have more joices and opportunities than the Kid who was condemned to stay unilingual french and has to make a living in a declining Quebec Economy in North America where French is not really significant. I was an Immigrant 45 Years ago , raised my children in pre Bill 101 Quebec, I chose to send them to french school, today they cannot thank me enough, they are proficient in 3 languages and are very happy for all the advantages they have over their unilingual friends....
    1. Al posted on 01/08/2013 05:16 PM
      @Rudolph S He will have more choices indeed, but not only compared to unilingual French kids, but also unilingual English kids. There are still far too many of the latter. I don't know anybody in Montreal who doesn't understand English, but there are still lots whose command of French leaves a lot to be desired.

      Bottom line is that this woman expects the Quebec taxpayer (of which over 80% are Francophone) to give her children an education in the minority language. Tough luck, she is in the wrong province. Quebec is not Louisiana, French is not just for the tourists. Too many people in Montreal and Laval seem to forget that.
  7. Eric posted on 01/08/2013 05:27 PM
    Totally ridiculous! But why is the mom after 20 years not a citizen? This is partly her fault as well. That said, it still infringes on a persons freedom of choice. This is what sucks in Canada. As a bilingual country, schools should not be based on English and French. Both languages should be taught, bilingual schools. I have a friend in New Brunswick and the schools there are bilingual.
  8. JuliaGerms posted on 01/08/2013 05:35 PM
    Its basically ethnic cleansing....Quebec style. I am so glad I left.
    1. Bert posted on 01/16/2013 06:38 AM
      @JuliaGerms If you are using CJAD, you never really left.
      Want to come back?
  9. Stephanie posted on 01/08/2013 06:27 PM
    What rule/clause/loophole was changed in 2010? So crazy to split up families!
  10. A posted on 01/08/2013 06:52 PM
    What people do not seem to understand is that the English are being made to feel like they are being driven to the border with a "do not come back" sign. It is absolutely crazy that because the French are scrambling to save a language they are in effect trying to kill another and we are allowing it. We have become complacent because it will take too much of our time but if we do nothing, many of us will be calling ourselves Ontarians and true Canadians.
  11. Cy posted on 01/08/2013 07:02 PM
    Isn't the child allowed to go to English school because the older sibling is already attending. Look into it. It is like the grandparents clause.
  12. Rudolph S posted on 01/08/2013 07:39 PM
    dear Nazneen, your son lokks to me like a bright young kid with a winning smile. Do not scare him with french school. I would tell him, look , you will make many friends, they will help you to learn french very fast, french kids are not any different than english, polish or german kids... they like to play and want to be friends with you because you can speak english and they are curious and will even pick-up some english from you. When you grow up, you will be so happy to speak English, French and your Parents language I bet your big sister would be glad she could speak french. So don't be afraid, go ahead and when a kid comes to you say Bonjour, mon nom c'est...... viens jouer avec moi
  13. Alavi posted on 01/09/2013 01:50 AM
    The point is why can't I have an equal right just as a citizen, when I pay the equal amount of taxes.What is the difference between a citizen and a permenant resident, nothing baciscally it's just that we don't get to vote. Oh that could be the main issue. But since I pay taxes too, I have the same right like any citizen in this country, since I am living here since 20 years and attended English school and my daughter is attending an English school then Why not my sonnnn..? Why do I need to send my son to a French school when I dot want to. Its my son I should have the right to choose his education in whatever language I like. I don't have an issue with French since I am livin in Quebec I know their first language is French.i speak very well French but if u ask a Québécois most I them cant speak a word of English.Can we ask a québécois to ask their child to attend an English school, no because we already know their answer .they will never do that so why should I? It's not only me but there are many ppl on the same boat as me that is askin for the same question. What does your status has to do with your child s education? How is it gonna harm anyone? And plus when my kid is already in English school even if I am not a citizen. Is there any logic here??????
    1. Rudolph S posted on 01/09/2013 08:32 AM
      @Alavi @Alavi, give it up.. it's no use to digg in your heels..the Ministry is biggger, stronger and richer than you and doesn't really give a damn and you cannot win against them. Let your son have a french education, its not any worse than what the english schools teach them. When he grows up, he will be very happy to be bilingual and multilingual, I also have an ethnic background, we all speak several languages and I never heard anyone complain and say ..Ach if I only would not understand what these english, french, german or spanisch speaking people around me are talking about....
    2. LMAO posted on 01/09/2013 08:36 AM
      @Alavi They sad situation you find yourself in is due to successive gutless Federal governments allowing this racism to happen here in a country that deplores it worldwide and sends our soldiers overseas to die for the rights of strangers while their own countrymen are submitted to the same treatment they are laying their lives down for right here.
      Alavi if you want to be treated fairly and with respect then you will have no choice but to move to another province. Long term it will be better for you and your family as remaining in Quebec you will never be treated with any respect or consideration. There are plenty of other provinces where they will welcome you with open arms and tale less tax dollars from you too.
      The only time Quebec is happy to deal with the rest of Canada and the Anglos is when there lights go out or they are flooded.
  14. susan gibbs posted on 01/09/2013 09:22 AM
    seriously? oh so sad...
  15. robert posted on 01/09/2013 04:24 PM
    Move to Ontario.
  16. veritasEtjusticia posted on 01/09/2013 06:44 PM
    If at least one of your parents went to English school, you can go from day-care to University entirely in English in publicly funded institutions in Quebec. If neither of your parents went to English schools, you can still do the all-English education but your primary and secondary school education will be done in private schools. This woman wants her kids to be educated in English and she wants Quebec tax-payers to finance it.

    Try immigrating to Germany and once there expect the German state to pay for your kids to be educated in English. You're likely to learn the German version of "Get lost" pretty quickly. But in Quebec, we are called Fascists if we refuse to finance the assimilation of our society.
    1. Rudolph S posted on 01/10/2013 01:05 PM
      @veritasEtjusticia Hi veritas, somehow I tend to agree with your view. (The Germans would tell her " leck mich am A.....wenns dir nicht passt geh zurueck wo du hergekommen bist....) I think this Lady is acting rather out principle and is disturbed as most of us are, about how that Marois Government is hellbent to eliminate everything English in Quebec, she cuts health- and Social budgets but give extra money to the useless OLF and will not realize, that French is an insignificant Language in North American Business and Society. No matter what, the next election will come and if she pissed off enough voters, the Maroisie will be history. (the winner will be the young boy who has the advantage of being bilingual when he grows up .!)
  17. concerned in la belle provence, je me souviens posted on 01/10/2013 10:20 AM
    amazing that one child can attend and another can not, the family should be grandfathered to the previous law and not be stuck in the middle of a law change thus causing family splits. can some explain why marios's children attend schooling in the usa? pourqouis pas dan la belle provence du quebec ?
  18. Jean Marc Chartier posted on 01/13/2013 10:08 AM
    She is not a citizen. End of rights. End of story.
    1. Anne posted on 01/14/2013 10:14 PM
      @Jean Marc Chartier "Not a citizen, end of rights ..." What garbage ! Who are you ? this lady is a person ! and as a person and a landed immigrant is intitled to some respect ! Just because a person is not intitled to vote it dosn't mean that they are to be treated like garbage ! or is that a "Quebec" cultural thing ! Everyone one of us "has rights" under the Canadien constitution ! But of course , those "rights " are hard to find here in
      Quebec ! nevertheless , Quebec needs to be exposed for its narrow , predudiced , cruel doctrines ! spread the word people !
  19. Marc posted on 01/13/2013 04:05 PM
    Thank Heavens that bill 101 has saved french Quebecois culture once again from it's impending demise.
    1. LMAO posted on 01/15/2013 10:25 AM
      @Marc No amount of legislation will ever prevent any culture from failing. It dies from lack of interest from within. Bill 101 is not the answer to the problems you face with your culture.
  20. anne posted on 01/14/2013 09:16 PM
    I sent my son to french school (didn't have to , i am English) from kindergaten. Within weeks i was told by the Unilingual principle to have him removed ! Was he causing a problem ? i asked, No ' i was told "he was just sitting there " ( I had some help with this interview) I burst out with "then Teach him dammit " ! I had to get an honor student to help with his homework. What he went through i will never know. He never complained.. This was in Deux Montagnes . There ! ive identified the offending and offensive school ! would i have handled it differently today ? probobly. I would have like to say that i would have not been a stranger at the school and kept an eye on the separatist element that exists at all french schools. Only one teacher spoke English . he was French but had spent time in America. the rest .. ignorant and provincial.
    1. Rudolph S posted on 01/16/2013 01:28 PM
      @anne @anne, I understand your frustration with the rassist/separatist unilingual french teachers at the deux Montagnes, I was in the same boat as you in "pre bill101" Quebec. However, my kids went to Marguerite Burgeois ...what a great and nice school, I participated in the committee des parent, there were a lot of english speaking kids there, the staff and the teachers were really engaged to have them learn french and helped the non-francophone kids to integrate. . My children came out of the french schoolsystem fully bilingual, are professionals now and value the advantage they have over their unilingula collegues and co-workers (its not the schoolbuilding that makes the difference, but the many people of goodwill who work and interact with the community there...).
  21. Rudolph S posted on 01/16/2013 10:12 AM
    just read this on CJAD..
    numbers show that upwards of 50-thousand children who are eligible for an English education under Quebec's language go to french schools.....
    this is a very positive sign, that educated quebecers see the advantage of being bilingual...it is this growing generation, that will decide the future of quebec and get rid of PQ ideologies and organisations like the OLF and whatever else the Maroisie wants to impose on the people .
  22. Archie Gray posted on 01/16/2013 04:43 PM
    I'm in Calgary and we have French schools here. We have a right to send our children to whatever language school we please. I don't think most people out of Quebec would believe some of the nonsense that takes place in that province. I was born and raised in Montreal and left in 1976. Best thing I ever did.
  23. Don posted on 01/17/2013 03:20 PM
    I am French by name and I call myself Canadian, never quebecer. I unfortunately have had to move back to Quebec after living roughly 20 years in free Canada. I unfortunately went to French public and high school. So, that being said, my kids are stuck in the French school system. So, to counter balance the forced French, I only speak English to my kids and they only watch TV in English. I plan to move just over the boarder and send my kids to a bilingual school in Ontario. I strongly agree with a previous post that the seperatist regime has lots in common with the NAZIs. The PQ just wants to eliminate everything English. It's about time that all non-seperatists, be English, French or other rise up against these racist biggots.
    1. Gilles posted on 04/15/2013 09:19 AM
      @Don It's payback time.... ;)
  24. Canadian posted on 01/19/2013 12:40 PM
    Citizenship has it's advantages. She was here for 20 years and didn't want to apply, she doesn't get all the perks of citizenship.
  25. Anonymous posted on 01/21/2013 10:40 PM
    I understand her frustration, but being an immigrant. My question is what the "HELL" was she waiting for applying for her citizenship 20 freakin years later?!?!? Nowadays its 5 years after you've arrived!! I dont get it. And the worst thing is that there's a lot of people in the same situation. That was not a smart move from her part, sorry to be the bad guy in this blog.
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