Lisée's CJAD interview irks nationalists

Posted By: Richard Deschamps · 1/29/2013 4:29:00 PM

French-language activists have a bone to pick with Jean-François Lisée over comments the minister made last week on CJAD's Tommy Schnurmacher Show.

Last Friday, the PQ minister responsible for the anglophone community hinted that if the STM thinks its bus drivers and ticket-takers should speak English, then all it has to do is make the case to the Office Québécois de la Langue Française.

"STM? Are you listening?" Lisée declared at the time.

Mario Beaulieu, the head of the St. Jean Baptiste Society in Montreal, says Lisée's comments run counter to the PQ's long-standing positions on language.

"Allowing for the anglicization of services, and encouraging the STM to require employees to serve English-speaking customers in English, as the PQ minister proposes, is totally unacceptable and contrary to the goals of its language policy, which aims to make French the common public language," Beaulieu writes in a statement. "The practice also sabotages the policy of francizing immigrants because, in practice, it's impossible to distinguish a 'real' anglophone from any other person asking for English services."

Beaulieu declined an interview request from CJAD.

A statement from the Gatineau-based group Impératif Français, meanwhile, strikes a similar tone, saying the refusal to learn and use French doesn't give anyone the right to 'anglicize Quebec, demand institutional bilingualism, deprive workers the right to exercise their functions in French, and to earn their living!"

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  1. Annoyed posted on 01/29/2013 05:36 PM
    I would love for someone to explain to me why the maudit French are the only ones who have rights in this stupid province???? We're all born here and pay taxes here (out of our asses no less) and deserve to have the same BASIC rights as everyone else in this province and country. We are the ones that are a minority here and should be PROTECTED, not them! I am so tired of hearing about the preservation of their stupid's a thought, PRESERVE YOUR OWN GODDAMN LANGUAGE AND STOP TRYING TO ERASE OURS!!!!!!!
    1. Edmund posted on 01/31/2013 04:07 PM
      @Annoyed And what about the natives. Here before all of us, forced onto reservations. They must marvel at all of this squabling.
    2. Bilingual Montreal posted on 02/10/2013 12:02 AM
      @Annoyed How stupid of you to pretend you are any different from those you accuse.

      "Maudit French"? "Stupid language"?

      You ARE part of the problem.
  2. barb posted on 01/29/2013 05:46 PM
    You would have been nothing, and you will amount to nothing without the English population. You are racist and bigots. Your Province is falling apart, your people are ignorant, and by the time you stupid Francophone's figure out what you really need no one will help you, because you have chased all the English Bilingual people who love their province away. Your province is going to rat shit and you know it, but you hide it from the tax payers. You spent hard working people's money on a farce of a unity song that you could careless about, and still have not fixed any of the infer structure in the province, and putting a bandage on the wound will not stop your bridges from decaying and killing more innocent people. It is time for the real people of this beautiful province to wake up and call for action, before it is one of their own lying on the bottom of the rubble. Is it that important to have your people's language on top, or do you just want to high light that everybody else should be on the bottom.
    1. deb posted on 01/31/2013 10:16 PM
      @barb Um,,,sorry, but I really have to take issue with the "stupid Francophones" comment. Francophones are not our problem. Separatists are.
    2. Bilingual Montreal posted on 02/10/2013 12:06 AM
      @barb Who is "you"? Are you assuming Mario Beaulieu owns this province?

      "Stupid francophones"? You, yourself, are part of the problem. You create linguistic division and hatred. Precisely - you, barb.

      Our city is the best city to live in, despite complicated language relations. But, if you hate french, I really hope you will leave soon. Then, we can have an even better city.
  3. Jonathan posted on 01/29/2013 06:11 PM
    It is not a democracy if entire populations are considered illegitimate. I am a native anglophone (who does speak French) and I can tell you that many Francophones refuse to consider me Quebecois.

    Why? Because I don't speak French? I am born here, raised here, pay taxes here, currently live here, work here, have my friends here, and so, I am a Quebecois by nature. It's not my fault I was born anglophone! I deserve to be represented as the minority that I am - an anglophone Quebecois.

    As long as there is an "Us vs. them" mentality within the province then this debate becomes more about power play than it does about safeguarding any sort of culture. I am part of the culture, I am anglophone and I am Quebecois!
    1. Doug posted on 01/31/2013 02:12 PM
      @Jonathan The Canadian Charter tells "non English minorities" that the right to chose education is for "English minorities" only. If you were told no because it was someone elses right wouldn't you be pissed ? Think of that next time you discriminate against yourself as an anglophone you are telling people that your "minority" rights can limit someone elses rights.
  4. Jon posted on 01/29/2013 07:05 PM
    I grew up on the east Coast of Canada. I have visited Quebec many times and plan on doing so again. In my trips there I have very rarely had one of the people try to belittle me because I speak English. I have found that the general population of the province are good people who are about as tired of this stupid debate as the rest of Canadians. I have been given the line of “On est au Québec, on parle français.” My response to this has always been a pleasant "This is Canada, We speak Both. On est au Canada, on parle les deux." I found it leaves the ignorant fool somewhat flummoxed as I have a distinctive East Coast accent. My mother just thought that seeing as we live in a Bilingual country, it might do me good in the future to know both official Canadian Languages. I'm proud to be Canadian. I just think that the people bringing up this whole debate about the French language forget that Quebec isn't the only province that speaks it.
  5. speakingthetruth posted on 01/29/2013 11:38 PM
    its time for language cards ou carte de langes its the only way at this point , we can modify the health care cards to show your lanuage En or Fr and the the Allophones will have to make a choice. that way when you want to go to a movie you will have to show your Anglos in allowed to see a french film and certainly no french people into see a Robbin Williams film, you will have to show your card to get into concerts or plays no French people going to see the Rolling Stones only Celine Dion. When you want to buy CD's or movies or Magazines or download them off the internet you will have to prove the lanuage of your household. You want a library book youll need your language card.You wat to go on Vacation same thing French speaking people will be not be going to Florida anymore Provence will be their new destination. We will contact Videotron and stop all english stations fom being delivered to French households and like wise Anglophones no more Bye Bye.
    The l'office de langue francais will be able to conduct random checks on households accross the province and seize any contraband products. there will be heavy fines.
    If you are standing on a street conducting a conversation in english to another Anglophone the language police will have the right to demand to see your language wait a mnute this was Nazi Germany oh well same thing as Quebec
    1. Joyce posted on 02/02/2013 01:25 AM
      @speakingthetruth You jest, but Bill 14 is starting to look that way. Unbelievable in a free country where my Anglophone relatives fought for us all to be free. They are all, no doubt turning over in their graves. It turns my stomach to have had to produce PROOF of my upbringing so my daughter can go to an English speaking school. Forget the language cards, we'll soon be wearing arm bands to identify us. Unreal in a 1st world democracy treatment of any human in this way is abusive and should be stopped.
  6. crane posted on 01/30/2013 01:43 AM
    I find this highly disturbing. Instead of investing the tax money on the right places, the government is more concerned about a language. I still have a hard time understanding what they mean by "PRESERVING THE CULTURE". I came here from a different continent and with a different culture alltogether and yet it is still possible for me to follow my culture at home, speak my own language at home and with my friends and others who speaks it. A culture and a language can't be forgotten,unless you yourself is not strong enough to hold on to your culture and your language. This has to be the biggest BS the QC came up with till date! Basicaly this tells me that they are not strong enough to hold on to their language and culture.

    P.S i speak /write3 languages (yes including FRENCH cause QC gov made me go to a french school -.- which am happy about it now cause i have more advantages at my JOB!!) and understand 4 language
    1. Rudolph S posted on 01/30/2013 10:52 AM
      @crane hello Crane, I guess we both belong to the multilingual Ethnics that screwed up Pariseau's referendum.....I speak several languages which has only helped me in my professional life. I chose to send my children to french school (in pre bill 101 Quebec) they are now multilingual professionals and enjoy the advantages of being bilingual in Quebec over their unilingual co-workers. If a culture is so fragile, that it has to be preserved by exterminating or suppressing another culture, maybe it is not worth saving.... Beaulieu does not want to realize, that French is quite insignificant in north american business , science and culture. It was the English who invested heavily in this province and Canada who keeps on transfering Money to keep Quebec from going broke......So Mr. Beaulieu keep your PQ youth barefoot and french on Duplessis farm, they will be forever thankful ......
    2. Le Québécois posted on 02/04/2013 01:27 AM
      @crane "This has to be the biggest BS the QC came up with till date! Basicaly this tells me that they are not strong enough to hold on to their language and culture."

      Thank you for suggesting that my culture is "weak", despite the fact that our culture survived repeated assimilation attemps by the once most powerful empire in the world.

      The reason is that english represents 98% of the contient and french is only 2%. Therefore there must be certain tools in place (like language laws) in order to compensate for that fact.

      I fail to understand why it is so complicated for people to understand.

      "yet it is still possible for me to follow my culture at home"

      You have a country somewhere where people follow your culture. You can always go back there from time to time. In Québec, its here and nowhere else, if we let angryphones facists erradicate all traces of french in Canada (read your history they tried it before !) then we're gone forever.
  7. Renee Houde posted on 01/30/2013 03:44 AM
    M. Beaulieu is an extremist who has nothing but hate coming out of his mouth. I am embarassed for him. Not too brilliant.
    1. Le Québécois posted on 02/04/2013 01:08 AM
      @Renee Houde Oh you probably mean extremists like Galganov, Bill Johnson and Barbara Kay ?

      Or should they be called patriots instead because they are on the "right side" for you ?
  8. Cutie003 posted on 01/30/2013 06:38 PM
    These bigots have got to be left to themselves. We have to democratically partition this province and those areas that vote to leave have the right to go - the rest of us have a new bilingual province. We need a new political movement for this purpose to end the stifling of our anglophone and allophone expression of freedom in this doomed province. GIVE US BACK AND RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OR PARTITION THIS PROVINCE = LET THE BIGOTS OUT!
    1. Doug posted on 01/31/2013 02:14 PM
      @Cutie003 What do you think about the Canadian Charter promoting and defending the same actions as Quebec language laws.Both deny access to services based on language.
    2. Le Québécois posted on 02/04/2013 01:17 AM
      @Cutie003 Having difficulties with law 101 is understandable.

      But when you are at the partition stage I guess you have to ask yourself if you're really in the right province.
  9. amused posted on 01/31/2013 09:07 AM
    to solve the issue of potentially speaking english to a fake anglophone, maybe all anglophones (and all otherphones for that matter) should be forced to wear a little arm band and carry appropriate identification paperwork or something to properly identify them to the STM (or whatever authority there be).

    Reminiscent of anything?
    1. Le Québécois posted on 02/04/2013 01:14 AM
      @amused No instead conquered people should always address citizens of the empire in their imperial language and these priviledge citizens should never be bothered to learn the local languages...

      Reminiscent of anything ?

      (like South Africa... or any british colony around the world)
  10. Stan posted on 02/03/2013 10:11 PM
    We want what everyone else wants; to work and raise and protect our families and forge some kind of life; peacefully,quietly. But these witch hunters chase us into the metro, into our places of business and into our institutions and into our children's schools, they physically assault us because we have the audasity to speak; they take great swellng pride in disrespecting and dehumanizing their own countrymen. We are all of us reduced by this toxic mentality; through it you attack your own societal body at a cellular level.

    If you are francophone and if you disagree with this assessment of Quebecois culture, then the next time you witness it, step up and speak out; not against the preservation of your language ( which BTW is a subcomponent of culture, not culture in and of itself, but which merits preservation nonetheless), but against bigotry and ignorance.

    Or, do nothing, and contribute to the cellular decay of your social fabric.
    1. Le Québécois posted on 02/04/2013 10:56 AM
      @Stan Language laws are not against anglophone people but against anglicisation. A tendency for all minority languages to disappear.

      Unfortunately, the frequency and intensity of bashing of everything that is from Québec (not only the language but the culture and the people also) in english media sometimes makes it hard for us to remember that distinction.

      Its been like that since the british conquest.
      Believe it or not some uneducated anglophones still expect quebekers to go back to France...
  11. Rudolph S posted on 02/04/2013 07:10 PM today in the Gazette...Marois shooting of her mouth telling, that bilingualisme is not an option... she wants only french, french, then she hopes, US busines will go for that nonsense and invest in QC.... Please to all who are interested in keeping Quebec prosperous and Canadian with equal rights for all , do not stay at home when we get to vote the next time.... only so can we get rid of that maladie called MAROISIE
    1. Le Québécois posted on 02/05/2013 06:36 AM
      @Rudolph S That belief that all non-english countries, regions or autonomous states attract no business is tiresome. Why then is there business in all 200+ countries of the UN which are mainly non-english ?

      Bilingualism is not an option because it's not the task of Québec to realize Trudeau's dream of bilingualism when the vast majority of the rest of Canada is (except for some parts) UNILINGUAL english.

      When we finally can get rid of people with a superiority complex that do not understand that Québec is not like Ontario and spit on everything we are and do then we can finally learn more english, but as an international and foreign language.
  12. mp posted on 02/07/2013 12:17 PM
    Where did Montreal go to? We were known everywhere in the world... What a beautiful french beautiful city that spoke to you in French or English..What the church did to the french is what southern catholic church did to Ireland... Divide the people.
    Quebec imports immigrants that speak french no matter where they come from as long as they have monies and education and if were lucky a criminal background. The poor Quebecois goes to work while these people are using the hopital systems to have all their little ones.. It great to have dual citizenship as the weather gets cold and the babies are born, we don't see many sandals and as the Quebecer bundles up we all look like were wearing hijabs..When they rule Quebec then the Quebecer will realize that the English were no users but doers...The Quebecois will be a minority when they get rid of the english Quebecer...They never woke up when the church use them and now the government is using them and they still believe in what? I am a fifth generation here my children went to french schools and their children are going to english schools and the french have no choice...If the English Quebecer was not here what would have happened to these people..The French pure laine are good good people but the church and a few english people in businesses screwed them..I remember they use to put the immigrant kids in our english schools so their system wouldn't be held back by teaching them French... How time has change.. The quebec is paying higher taxes , translations are costly and the Quebecois has to go to Plattsburgh to buy everything in english because it is all about money and it's way cheaper than to buy here... They don't care about the language but the Big Screen TV at 42 inches that is 1/ price counts...The instructions are all in English do you see the point in all these translations...Were so lucky as english Quebecers as they have to write everything bigger in French and smaller in english because our eyesight in many things is better..

    Speak english, Shop in Plattsburgh, retire in Florida, and smile at everyone..
  13. Bilingual Montreal posted on 02/09/2013 11:59 PM
    Thank you, M. Lisée, for your interview.

    Here are the questions I have:

    1. Is Mr Beaulieu suggesting, as a last pathetic attempt to securing public support for his unilingual cause, that we itemize Anglophones eligible for English service in Montreal?

    2.In Montreal, it requires two languages. I am sorry to see, that some groups, believing t be influential miles away, still don’t understand the essence of this city. We don’t deprive anyone of functioning in French, we DEMAND municipal, provincial and federal essential services, services we pay for, are bilingual. As well as appreciation for our special history and culture. When are they going to get it?
  14. FXJ posted on 02/14/2013 07:32 AM
    For those who complain that the PQ prioritizes language over more serious issues, I'd like to remind them that it's CJAD that asked the question and that wrote an article on this, rather than focussing on more serious issues.

    And for those who complain to have no rights here because bus drivers are not forced to respond in english, just address bus drivers in english to see how many of them will actually make the effort. Then go to Ottawa, a supposedly bilingual city, and address bus drivers in french. I bet you can do that for a whole day without being answered in french by any english driver! So who's got no rights??
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