Bombardier workers accused of illegally posing as engineers

Bombardier Global 8000

The Quebec Order of Engineers says over two dozen Bombardier employees in Montreal and Toronto practiced engineering illegally.

Following an investigation dating back to the fall of 2012, the Order concluded that the employees passed themselves off as engineers on paperwork without being qualified.

The Order says 24 Bombardier employees performed work reserved for engineers and three others assumed the title of engineer on documentation.

Both actions are against the laws covering the profession.

THe work involved the firm's CSeries and Global 7000 and 8000 business jets.

The Order's Christine O'Doherty says that although the work was illegal, there is no evidence of the public being in danger.

"What we're doing is who is doing what, and are the professionals that are supposed to be conducting the professional activity reserved to them members of the order," she says. "So we're not talking about the security of the public here."

O'Doherty says the Order is currently in talks with Bombardier to resolve the matter.

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  1. Murray posted on 08/12/2014 06:51 PM
    A friend of mine has a D. Phil. (PhD) in engineering from Oxford and for yrs worked in QC designing aircraft engines. He simply called himself "an aerodynamicist" as he was not a member of the Order, but he could teach engineers how to be engineers (and he did)!:o)
  2. Richard posted on 08/12/2014 07:36 PM
    The global 7000 and 8000 are built in Toronto. Since when does the Quebec order of anything have a say in Ontario

    Other reports say there are not engineers because they don't belong to the Quebec order of Engineers What makes you an engineer? A degree or a membership in their club

    Finally other reports say that Bombardier is challenging this because its a Federal matter and their engineers meet all federal criteria
    1. Will Super posted on 08/13/2014 02:46 PM
      @Richard It is illegal to call yourself an "Engineer" in Quebec or "Professional Engineer" in other Canadian Provinces without being part of provincial/territorial engineering regulatory bodies. By law, no one can practice as a professional engineer in Canada without a license.

      Becoming a licensed Engineer/Professional Engineer in Canada is a long process :

      1) You must hold an undergraduate degree from an engineering program accredited by the Canadian Engineering Accreditation Board of Engineers Canada;
      2) Complete three or four years of engineering work, depending on the licensing body, under the supervision of a licensed engineer;
      3) Write and pass a professional practice examination on professional practice, ethics, engineering law and liability;
      4) Be of good character and reputation (that means no criminal record)
    2. Johnny Bravo posted on 08/14/2014 08:32 PM
      @Richard The Global 7000 and 8000 will be built in Toronto, but it's designed in Montreal.
  3. Stevo posted on 08/13/2014 01:42 PM
    There are two types of Engineers. Text book and Practical (Hands 0n) Engineers (AME'S). Text book are 4 years min. University who sit in cubicles and push paper with no "hands on" practical knowledge usually are involved in the initial design of system/product, excellent in theory but not practicality.

    Practical (Hands On) Engineers (AME's), are 2 years Technical Institute + 2 years practical equals 4 years total. Add on specified training for each A/C Type to specialize on that product in all aspects of Engineering systems i.e.. Hydraulics/structures/avionics/environmental control/hydro-mechanical/aerodynamics/propulsion/chemical etc etc.

    So I ask the question. What is Quebec's Issue??
  4. markR posted on 08/15/2014 01:21 PM
    The way I see it, your either a corrupted engineer, an engineer that is overqualified and drives a taxi for a living, or a quasi engineer who says he is but is not according to the quebec engineer's order.
  5. GT posted on 08/15/2014 01:23 PM
    This now explains why bombardier's newest plane can't fly, trains being built by managers, and share price tanking faster than a sinking jet ski.
    1. chuck posted on 08/16/2014 10:17 AM
      @GT the cseries plane is a disaster and this is not public knowledge. The PR department have done a good job of containing this information. this plane simply does not perform as expected. Bombardier just does not have the expertise and depth of talent to make this plane work.
    2. Richard posted on 08/16/2014 11:45 AM
      @GT WOW!
      Not one thing you said has to do with anything
      The CSeries does fly...The problem is with the engine which is not built by Bombardier
      Bombardier Transport and Bombardier Aerospace are not the same...The trains are being built because the workers are on strike....and that has nothing to do with engineers

      The shares are dropping because the media and people like you love to crap on Canadian companies

      Finally since when does the Quebec order of engineers have a say in Toronto Ontario
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